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fon
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Why would they do this?

It's because they know that 99.999% of people do not know what rNA is, or what an adjuvant , or a T cell is or what an antigen is. It is wasteful to throw strawberries to donkeys.

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jmc
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Point me to documentation on long-term side effects.

So let's try this again.

Can you confirm you refuse to take any medical treatment or intervention for any disease if it hasnt had regulatory approval for at least 2 years?

Do you treat EVERY new medicine, new vaccine or new treatment as "experimental"?
The little gang of vaccine zealots here seem unable to admit that the vaccines that have been rushed out,

Rushed out?
You mean full Phase I,I,III trials and the related subsets with HIGHER sample group sizes than is normal?

Do you think these, or any other vaccines would be "safer" if we left them sitting on a shelf for 2 years doing nothing after approval?
with minimal testing and given emergency licenses are not as well tested as other medicines.

Which bit of the identical clinical trials procedure and authorisation process is confusing you exactly?

As for emergency use - you're clearly unaware how many receive this perfectly normal process in general.
And ignoring the fact EHRA and others granted full, non-emergency approval.

You seem utterly determined to ignore the fact that the vaccines have undergone absolutely identical trial and approvals to anything else. You just dont like THIS one for some reason.
You seem to think "FAST" is bad with no justification.

Lets try this one... Which bit exactly of the Phase I,II,III trials by Pfizer do you have issues with? Specifics?
Which bit exactly of the MHRA approval procedure do you have problems with?
Specifics. Not "Wah its untested, fast, bill gates" nonsense.

As I have pointed out to you before you seem to be totally ignorant of the normal FDA process for the certification for clinical use ALL new pharmaceuticals treatment. On which the equivalent regulatory process all around the world are based. The regulatory protocols for mass usage vaccines are far more rigorous than even for OTC drugs. Why do you think most vaccine candidate trials fail. Usually after a few years. Because that how long it takes to find long term side effects. A few years.

I use the term experimental because NONE of these vaccines have gone through the full MULTI-YEAR trial process that is required for all new pharmaceuticals used for any kind of medical treatment. The current waiver is just that, a temporary waver. At some stage the waiver will be removed and all current vaccines will have to go through the full multi-year clinical trials that every other vaccine has had to go through over the last 60 years.

Yet this very simple fact seem to elude you - It take years for long term effects to manifest themselves. Which is why the length of trial before final FDA certification always runs to years. Absolutely no vaccine which had limited trials spaced over a matter of months is in any way equivalent to all other general use vaccines which had been trialed and tested for quite a few years before they were ever administered to the general public.

Has any other mRNA vaccine received a full regulatory certification in the past? No. For very good reasons. Do the SARs CoV2 vaccines have even the same order of magnitude of adverse reactions and fatalities as the nearest equivalent mass use vaccine, the Influenza A vaccine? A very definite NO. As of the most recent CDC data the SARs 2 vaccine is about 40 times more dangerous than the flu shot and for old people > 75 it looks like it could be as high as 100 time more dangerous. Those are just the immediate < 5 days adverse reactions. Not even short term or long term effects. And by dangerous I mean causes death.

So given that there has been no large upswing in excess deaths in the last year (nothing out of the ordinary) and most of the SARs CoV 2 pneumonia deaths seem to be purely substitute cause deaths, its mostly just another hospital acquired pneumonia , why are you so enthusiastic in defending an untested experimental vaccine. Untested by the regulatory standards of every other vaccine I've ever been given. Or given my kids without the slightest qualm.

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Marta
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Of course, Mike. But in this age of the ueber safety, being sensible is not enough. Measures have to be taken, then more measures, then more, until we are reduced to a society of toddlers.

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fon
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Because that how long it takes to find long term side effects.
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but there has not been a long term. jmc.So what you are asking for is impossible to grant.

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jmc
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Because that how long it takes to find long term side effects.
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but there has not been a long term. jmc.So what you are asking for is impossible to grant.

No it is not. Just follow the normal regulator procedures.

Of course the politician could no longer hide behind "vaccines" as a way of getting out of the economic and social catastrophe they have created since last March.

There is no medical or epidemiological utility to any of these SARs CoV 2 vaccines. They are being given for purely political reasons. No other.

There is zero reason to believe based on a very large body of published literature that the short terms and long term of any current or future SARs CoV 2 vaccine will be any different from the annual Influenza vaccine.

The Influenza vaccine has not abolished the flu. Far from it.

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