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Illimitible
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If we ever get any traction we’ll be shut down.

Right now we’re just a few oddballs

I don't really buy into these ideas of grand global schemes ...

I agree - and I think most people would agree. It is for this reason that we need to concentrate on the immediate issue.
This forum is lockdownsceptics. It exists to bring the lockdown and other counter-productive measures to an end.
Conflating this focussed view with such big panoramas will turn away the very people we seek to influence.

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kyta
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I agree with MikeAustin and rms: let's crack the problem at hand first.

If we can show the general public the extent of the fraud, it will significantly reduce the influence of governments and abusive big businesses.

There's no way we can tackle the wider issues in society until we get today's jackboot off our throats.

How are we going to do that when the economy is gone? To bring lockdowns to an end we need to know why they are being done. My post was to to suggest an idea as to why the UK government is locking its people and the economy down. With all the evidence that has come to light, I can no longer believe it is because of this virus. So, why the lockdowns?

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MikeAustin
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Do you think this is about a virus with a 99.9% survival rate? Can you or will you not see a bigger picture, or are you apart of the distraction?

I could equally challenge you whether you can see what is right in front of your nose! Furthermore, I could suggest that your 'bigger picture' is a distraction from that.
I have not ruled out your 'bigger picture'. The point is, whether or not one agrees with it, the task in hand needs addressing immediately. When we focus on that, we stand a greater chance of getting wider support from the general public. We go nowhere without that.

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MyHomeIsMyCastle
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Yes, I agree with MikeAustin.

Look at how the media report any lockdown protest (when they report them at all) - they focus on the 5G conspiracy theorists, and go for the "lets all have a bit of a giggle at these loopy people" line, and totally ignore any rational participants.

I agree that governments' responses to the pandemic around the world have been hopeless over-reactions, but we don't have any evidence that it's anything other than massive incompetence, scientific illiteracy in the political class and arse-covering.

The public will forgive politicians for economic disaster more readily than they'd forgive them for hundreds of thousands of deaths. So avoiding the ogre of massive deaths tolls is the govt's biggest aim. Even if it never was going to happen, at some point they'll claim their policies averted it (a bit like my old cat, who used to keep elephants out of the garden, evidenced by the fact that nobody ever saw an elephant in the garden).

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Bremer dan Gorst
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Yes, I agree with MikeAustin.

Look at how the media report any lockdown protest (when they report them at all) - they focus on the 5G conspiracy theorists, and go for the "lets all have a bit of a giggle at these loopy people" line, and totally ignore any rational participants.

I agree that governments' responses to the pandemic around the world have been hopeless over-reactions, but we don't have any evidence that it's anything other than massive incompetence, scientific illiteracy in the political class and arse-covering.

The public will forgive politicians for economic disaster more readily than they'd forgive them for hundreds of thousands of deaths. So avoiding the ogre of massive deaths tolls is the govt's biggest aim. Even if it never was going to happen, at some point they'll claim their policies averted it (a bit like my old cat, who used to keep elephants out of the garden, evidenced by the fact that nobody ever saw an elephant in the garden).

This.

I think we really need to discourage the conspiratarding, in all fairness. Otherwise we're just allowing the powers that be to paint us as some sort of antenna-burning, vaccine-dodging, crunchy granola Karens and/or dribbling libertarians.

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