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Jane G
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Please, somebody - tell me it was a spoof?
I went through it with incredulity; surely no one sane can have composed such nightmare stuff?
What child could emerge from that with their reason intact?

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Nobody
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A part of this that has consistently occurred to me but I have resisted posting anything, mainly because I don't actually know anything of any real relevance, relates to something I once read which I will post:

Public silence among workers was thought by the bourgeoisie to be a sign that, if not content, the urban worker was at least submissive. This belief came out of an interpretation first made by the 19th century bourgeoisie about the relationship between revolution and freedom of speech among workers. The interpretation was simple. If workers were allowed to congregate together, they would compare injustices, scheme and conspire, foment revolutionary intrigues. Thus, laws like those of 1838 in France came into being which forbade public discussion between work peers, and a system of spies was set up in the city to report on where the little molecules of laborers congregated—in which cafes, at which times…When the café became a place of speech among peers at work, it threatened the social order; when the café became a place where alcoholism destroyed speech, it maintained social order. Condemnation of low-class pubs by respectable society has to be looked at with a jaundiced eye. While these condemnations were no doubt sincerely meant, most instances of the closing of cafes or pubs occurred not when riotous drinking got out of hand, but when it became evident that people in the cafes were sober, angry, and talking. Pages 214-215. The Fall of Public Man. Richard Sennett. 1978. New York. Vintage Books.

This is more or less what you have. English culture has been toxic for a long time and most people don't interact and cannot act cooperatively or even sociably, there is civic culture anymore, and this virus and the changes that have been inaugurated will merely make it far worse. Anyone who is devalued or stigmatised will now endure an even more injurious form of public existence.

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Think Harder
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They're insane or evil!
"If" this was killing 50% of the population and our children were dropping like flies I would understand it.
I just got a text message from my doctor's surgery saying:
"The Germ Defence project has been endorsed as a national Urgent Public Health Research (UPHR) study by Chris Whitty, the Chief Medical Officer (CMO) for England. Please follow this link https://www.germdefence.org/index.html if you are interested in participating"

Clicking on the link takes you to a front page that says:
A research study with 20,000 people found:
People who read the advice in Germ Defence are less likely to catch viruses
If they do become ill, the illness is likely to be less severe

Further on, it's basically advising things such as washing your hands, staying away from people and wearing a mask. So far, so predictable. But there were some bits that I found astonishing:

In the section about how to prevent passing covid onto people you live with:

There will be times when your children want a cuddle. If you wear a face-covering and glasses, that will lower the risk of passing viruses between you.

Eating your meals at different times and in different areas will lower the risk of spreading germs. You may still want to be with your children when they eat because of the rist of choking so you could sit in the room with them at a distance of 2 metres/6 feet

If you want to spend time in a room with someone you live with, or a visitor, covering your face will help to reduce the spread of the virus if you cannot be 2 metres apart. And open a window too! This means that you can still spend time with other people in your home. Limiting how long you are in a room with others also helps- the longer you spend together the more viruses could enter your body

Can you organise your room so that you have more space between seats? Is it possible to arrange using shared areas of your home at different times, so that onle one person is there at a time?

Can you arrange for one room in your home to be just for you- and try to spend more time there? This could include eating or sleeping. Opening windows often is an easy way to stop the virus collecting in the air. If it is cold outside, you could open a window in one room if you're planning to spend time there with someone else you live with, or a visitor. Shutting the door to the rest of your home will resuce the amount of heat lost. You could choose a room that is easier to heat up after...

There's a bit about having a safe Christmas at someone else's house where it says you should only stay for an hour and not eat anything. Merry Christmas!

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Burlington
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Christ on a bike! Do the people who thought this crap up actually live in the real world? It's a Orwellian version of the fekin "Cat in the hat."

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Splatt
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Sadly i know a few people who after 10 months of relentless propaganda and a deliberately terrifying narrative will do EXACTLY what it says here.

I know a fair few formerly sensible people who are literally too terrified to leave the house and firm in the belief the next person they see across the street is going to infect them.

I know of someone for example that even in the summer brought their own chairs and tables to sit in a parents garden in the sun.
Other people who spray all mail and shopping in dettol and leave it for 3 days etc.

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