A potted history of failure.
Initially, some didn't like lockdown and asked if it is the right approach. This is a rational point of view and a good question to ask. That would have been scepticism and might have resulted in a decent discussion.
The problem is that in 9 months of watching I haven't seem any credible consideration of the subject. That includes the editorial and forum elements. It is just unthinking campaigning against just about everything. lockdown, disease severity, infection rates, statistics & models, masks.........etc . There have been articles and posts in great detail, but never balanced and normally easily discredited and dismissed.
The site changed name as it moved away from lockdowns to an an anti-vaxx stance and seems to be dabbling in climate change denial now.
Obviously non of this has amounted to anything and it is fizzling out.
A potted history of failure.
Indeed it is,just unthinking campaigning against just about everything. lockdown, disease severity, infection rates, statistics & models, masks.........etc .
your post is like a breath of fresh air, All and any measures or medicines that might counter covid19 are instantly rejected off the cuff by the forces of ignorance who cluster on these pages, to vituperatively vent their spleens in anger at the rather modest changes asked of them, they have very much to learn.
There have been articles and posts in great detail, but never balanced and normally easily discredited and dismissed. The site changed name as it moved away from lockdowns to an anti-vaxx stance and seems to be dabbling in climate change denial now.Obviously none of this has amounted to anything and it is fizzling out.
It is shocking to read the views of the mindless sceptic-cretins, who are only being asked to make modest adjustments to help everybody.
I am heartened that, thus far, they have been comprehensively overruled by sensible people who are steering the best course they can.
@ewloe I guess you can't spend much time in the community. Almost everyone I know (abroad also) thinks this whole thing is totally mad and possibly the worst political intervention in....history.
@ewloe I guess you can't spend much time in the community. Almost everyone I know (abroad also) thinks this whole thing is totally mad and possibly the worst political intervention in....history.
You guess wrong.
The Pub's shut becasuse the landlord is soo sick with covid19 he can't open. He was like you until he caught covid, now he's like me.
@the-real-normal-podcast well, you'd better stop your podcast, in case you are biaed due to your trivial experience with covid19.
"Modest adjustments" eh. So many fucked up lives as a result of this shit show. Just a modest adjustment.
I saw this week that in the US the murder rate had increased thirty per cent,
However the murder rate in the UK (with more covid restrictions than the US) was broadly consistent with recent years. While in Italy (with much tougher restrictions) it continued the downward path its been on for years.
If the US wants to get the murder rate down, controlling gun use is the quickest way to do it.
You obviously know nothing about the US. When strict sentencing laws were brought in the 1990's murder rates went down. Very quickly. When they started releasing large numbers of criminals in the last few years due to "criminal justice reform" the murder rate went up very quickly again. Very fast in "Defund the Police" and BLM cities. Like Baltimore, Chicago, Seattle, Portland and Oakland.
The cities and states with the strictest "gun control" have the highest murder rates. The cities and states with the least gun control are by far the safest. In the US whites have about the same murder rate as most European countries. Lower than some. Asians even lower. I leave it to the readers to guess who account for most murders in most big US cities. A pattern that is repeated in the UK I might add. And it is already illegal for most of those committing these murders to legally own firearm due to prior criminal records.
There is a very simple way of reducing the murder rate, lock up the criminals. It worked wonders three decades ago. And get rid of most of the stupid gun laws. They are little more than political hand waving which have nothing to do with reducing the murder rate. By this stage almost 60 years of total failure as policy. But they sound great to affluent middle Gentry Democrats who live in very low crime safe suburbs. And a great source of political donations from anti-gun lobby groups. Which is many tens of millions of dollars per year.
In fact gun control laws make ordinary peoples lives a lot less safe. If you had actually lived in cities with strict gun control laws and cities which allowed concealed or open carry you would know just how safer ordinary unarmed people going about their daily lives are in places were gun ownership is very common.
But I suspect the rather salubrious area you probably live in is a very long way from a typical US city with lots of public housing projects and Section 8 housing to make life interesting. And often dangerous. Best not to believe what you see on the telly. Its nothing like real life.
You obviously know nothing about the US. When strict sentencing laws were brought in the 1990's murder rates went down. Very quickly. When they started releasing large numbers of criminals in the last few years due to "criminal justice reform" the murder rate went up very quickly again. Very fast in "Defund the Police" and BLM cities. Like Baltimore, Chicago, Seattle, Portland and Oakland.
The cities and states with the strictest "gun control" have the highest murder rates. The cities and states with the least gun control are by far the safest. In the US whites have about the same murder rate as most European countries. Lower than some. Asians even lower. I leave it to the readers to guess who account for most murders in most big US cities. A pattern that is repeated in the UK I might add. And it is already illegal for most of those committing these murders to legally own firearm due to prior criminal records.
There is a very simple way of reducing the murder rate, lock up the criminals. It worked wonders three decades ago. And get rid of most of the stupid gun laws. They are little more than political hand waving which have nothing to do with reducing the murder rate. By this stage almost 60 years of total failure as policy. But they sound great to affluent middle Gentry Democrats who live in very low crime safe suburbs. And a great source of political donations from anti-gun lobby groups. Which is many tens of millions of dollars per year.
In fact gun control laws make ordinary peoples lives a lot less safe. If you had actually lived in cities with strict gun control laws and cities which allowed concealed or open carry you would know just how safer ordinary unarmed people going about their daily lives are in places were gun ownership is very common.
But I suspect the rather salubrious area you probably live in is a very long way from a typical US city with lots of public housing projects and Section 8 housing to make life interesting. And often dangerous. Best not to believe what you see on the telly. Its nothing like real life.
Something of a pro-gun monologue.
Care to share some supporting data?
A quick check shows that the USA murder rate is about 10x higher than the UK, when compensating for population size.
The same ratio for gun deaths is about 60x
I wonder if it is related to the number of guns available in theses countries.
Something of a pro-gun monologue.
I wonder if it is related to the number of guns available in theses countries.
The British legislated against mass gun ownership in the wake of world war 1, everybody had brought weapons back from the war, and the nation dreaded a communist uprising amongst the working class, as had happened in Russia, and due to the home rule wars in Ireland, so we did the right thing for the wrong reasons.Could you imagine the carnage in Ireland had we not controlled guns? So here it was absolutely necessary, they did without gun control in the States, and they are buggered now. Pay no heed to jmc, he's never got a single thing right, even by chance .
If we're talking about the UK firearms bans, we should consider the many strange goings on at Dunblaine, conviniently left out of the official "enquiry"
https://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2013/03/dunblane-shootings-pedophile-ring.html
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If we're talking about the UK firearms bans, we should consider the many strange goings on at Dunblaine, conviniently left out of the official "enquiry"
https://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2013/03/dunblane-shootings-pedophile-ring.html
Please find something useful to do. Why, other than to spread silly rumours, should we consider an article that is already eight years old, about events that occured 25 years ago. Why would you send us on a wild goose chase, are you just a shit stirrer?
The blog site in question,
AANGIRFAN, has not received any update on anything since 2014.
@ewloe I linked a piece from their old blog they got frozen out of, it had lots of breadcrumbs to follow if so inclined, there have been many articles detailing many of those breadcrumbs in greater detail, but all my links to those from the time have been memory holed.
Here is the replacement blog, latest post 24 Nov 21
https://aanirfan.blogspot.com/
Have you ever posted anything useful on ths blog? All I see is adhom peanut thrown from the gallery. Are you just a shit stirrer projecting your narcissism for all to see?
Have you ever posted anything useful on ths blog? All I see is adhom peanut thrown from the gallery. Are you just a shit stirrer projecting your narcissism for all to see?
Do you mean "why don't you think like us"
@willing-vaccinee No. Do you have problems with comprehension?
It was a simple question, an example would suffice.
I guess ewloe can respond himself, if he wishes and perhaps earn some more abuse.
However, my take is that his posts are useful in that they oppose nonsensical statements and references designed to propagate harm. A reasonable test of their worth is if you don't like them.
@willing-vaccinee more drivel from the tag team.
Opposition is fine if it is constructive, nothing either of you say is remotely constructive, just adhom nonsense from the peanut galley.
@ewloe more projection, you seem determined to disuade anyone from commenting, it's no wonder this forum is little utilised.
@ewloe more projection, you seem determined to disuade anyone from commenting, it's no wonder this forum is little utilised.
There are very voices on this forum that do not conform the the "anti-everything" policy.
It is interesting that those few generate such angry responses, when all they do is point out the misinformation or muddled thinking.
