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takeme
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... hear me out.

With Starmer now shying away from the UKGov's Covid strategy of local lockdowns and pushing for a multi-week 'circuit-breaker', supported by SAGE, I believe that another national lockdown is inevitable.

Another national lockdown might support the sceptics cause, because:

  • Lockdowns can only delay an infection. As we know, you can't 'beat the virus' this way.

  • When lockdown-2 is lifted, yes, the number of 'cases' will drop but will increase rapidly again to pre-lockdown levels, especially over the indoor winter months.

  • The tide would then go out for government, exposing their lockdown experiment as a failure, at cost to businesses, health etc

  • Strong public opinion will demand a Plan B as an alternative to the failed lockdown strategy - e.g. Barrington Dec.
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    MikeAustin
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    ... hear me out.

    Go on then ...
    Another national lockdown might support the sceptics cause, because:

  • Lockdowns can only delay an infection. As we know, you can't 'beat the virus' this way.

  • When lockdown-2 is lifted, yes, the number of 'cases' will drop but will increase rapidly again to pre-lockdown levels, especially over the indoor winter months.
  • Agreed.

  • The tide would then go out for government, exposing their lockdown experiment as a failure, at cost to businesses, health etc
  • Strong public opinion will demand a Plan B as an alternative to the failed lockdown strategy - e.g. Barrington Dec.
  • The government is covering their tracks well in the eyes of the general public. This is with increasing evidence that their measures are counter-productive. This is bolstered by the media practising dereliction of duty in holding them to account. Most people do not properly scrutinise what they are told.

    A few weeks ago, when the NHS trick or treat app came out, I suggested - in a similar way to you - that full usage of the app would make its shortcomings abundantly clear. I think few people want to gamble on that one, not wanting to give up present freedoms to gain future freedoms.

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    MyHomeIsMyCastle
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  • Strong public opinion will demand a Plan B as an alternative to the failed lockdown strategy - e.g. Barrington Dec.
  • I'm not as optimistic about that as you.

    On social media, strong public opinion is of the belief that the reason we are facing more restrictions now is because of people like me.

    If there's a second harsh lockdown followed by a relaxation and an inevitable increase, the great unwashed (and uneducated) will say that's because people like me weren't following the rules during the lockdown. (It's entirely irrelevant to their argument that neither myself nor anybody I know or have been in contact with has been infected with covid.)

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    Mabel Cow
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    In my opinion, the only way to derail this farce is to comprehensively destroy the narrative that the virus is the disease.

    Until the general public understand that the prevalence of the virus in healthy people is utterly irrelevant, we have no hope of fighting the fear-porn charts. To my mind, the only thing that matters is how many people have died, and what risk profiles those people had. Reporting the number of positive tests for SARS-CoV-2 viral fragments is nothing more than wilful deceit. If we ran the same PCR testing campaign for flu viruses, I would be astonished if the results would be any different to those reported for SARS-CoV-2. Viruses are everywhere; welcome to being human.

    The sceptics produce a lot of charts, but in my opinion they are all too complicated. The average Joe has no interest in decoding charts, they just want something so simple it requires no interpretation. That's why the hockey-stick charts are so effective at terrifying the public. They don't look at the axes, or the figures, or what the charts are really saying, they just look at the shape.

    So to combat this, we need charts that tell the real story, and communicate it clearly from 10 feet away. We need to burn charts like this into the public consciousness:

    I'm going to focus my attention on how I can simplify the visuals as far as possible whilst still communicating an honest and meaningful message

    Any advice (or just as importantly, criticism) will be gratefully received. Anything. For example, I can see now that on my first chart, the red line of all-causes deaths draws the eye too much and so at 10 feet the reader might assume that the red line represents deaths-with-COVID-19.

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    MikeAustin
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    The sceptics produce a lot of charts, but in my opinion they are all too complicated. The average Joe has no interest in decoding charts, they just want something so simple it requires no interpretation.

    Guilty as charged. I should be locked up and down simultaneously.
    So to combat this, we need charts that tell the real story, and communicate it clearly from 10 feet away.

    Except that we are targeting the myopic.
    Any advice (or just as importantly, criticism) will be gratefully received. Anything. For example, I can see now that on my first chart, the red line of all-causes deaths draws the eye too much and so at 10 feet the reader might assume that the red line represents deaths-with-COVID-19.

    Bullet points are good, such as:

  • Average age of death from covid-19 is 82

  • Only 1 in 20 PCR tests are true

  • No excess deaths due to covid since 12 April

  • Covid measures causing excess deaths from October

  • Name dropping - Heneghan, Cummins, lockdownsceptics etc
  • I have already started leafleting today. I have printed out some salient points on a single A4 sheet and leave a couple every where I have a coffee. That includes, cheekily, at the Bristol Eye Hospital today (probably a few myopics there).

    There may be room for two sorts of leaflets: the bulletted list plus simple charts for general use and more detailed presentations for those who may be disposed to read further. For example, some locations in university towns may find the latter suitable.

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