27 March 2021  /  Updated 17 July 2021
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Murdered by Covid?


BJC
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A 75 year old woman who lives alone and has tested positive for COVID-19 has been instructed to self-isolate. She is fit and healthy and has only minor symptoms so is doing fine. A burglar breaks into her house and in the ensuing struggle she is throttled and dies. The death certificate records her death and mentions Covid. Her death is counted in the daily Covid deaths reported by the government and the media. Does the burglar have a defence he was not wholly responsible for her death?

A 75 year old man who lives alone has also been instructed by test and trace to self isolate, even though he is not infected. He is in very poor health and has several acute medical conditions. He takes a turn for the worse but cannot get an appointment with his GP and the wider NHS is most unhelpful. He dies alone at home. The death certificate does not mention Covid. Given he was “locked up” at their insistence and that medical attention was “withheld”, should the health authorities face a corporate manslaughter charge?

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miahoneybee
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Bjc these are the perfect examples of short sharp hard hitting stuff that is needed. The emotional level whether it's a scenario posed as a question to the sheep or real life stuff it needs taken to the masses and it's getting it there and waking people up that's so difficult.
I agree with the professor of law on the front page that the emotional level is where sceptics will likely gain success with non sceptics as charts and data does not do it although it's still as important.
A good post.
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BJC
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I was thinking about these sorts of scenarios last night before popping off to sleep. It is only coincidence, or perhaps premonition, it aligns with today’s article. Nevertheless, it spurred me on to make the post.

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rachel.c
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Agree these are good examples to counter the narrative. Problem is persuading people they been fooled. I expect more will accept this in the coming months as the economic recession deepens. Most difficult are those comfortable with lockdown. I think Hugh Willbourne's diagnosis of Festingers Syndrome and cognitive dissonance fits but and the way out for the believers isn't easy.

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A 75 year old woman who lives alone and has tested positive for COVID-19 has been instructed to self-isolate. She is fit and healthy and has only minor symptoms so is doing fine. A burglar breaks into her house and in the ensuing struggle she is throttled and dies. The death certificate records her death and mentions Covid. Her death is counted in the daily Covid deaths reported by the government and the media. Does the burglar have a defence he was not wholly responsible for her death?

A 75 year old man who lives alone has also been instructed by test and trace to self isolate, even though he is not infected. He is in very poor health and has several acute medical conditions. He takes a turn for the worse but cannot get an appointment with his GP and the wider NHS is most unhelpful. He dies alone at home. The death certificate does not mention Covid. Given he was “locked up” at their insistence and that medical attention was “withheld”, should the health authorities face a corporate manslaughter charge?

Example 1: No. The virus itself is no more relevant than an elderly person with terminal cancer or dementia being murdered in the home. The fact the govt records the death as a Covid death is irrelevant (and the burglar can't use the fact that she was in her own home due to Covid regulations as a defence to throttling her).

Example 2: Interesting one. Cases rest very heavily on their facts and establishing that a duty of care exists, that it has been breached etc etc. I know NHS Trusts have been investigated by police but I do not know whether there have been any prosecutions.

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