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WeAllFallDown
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So, here it is. Have any other Covid-19 vaccine sceptics watched this, (assuming that pro-vaccine aren’t going to pay it much heed)? I’m sure I saw Geert Vanden Bossche mentioned on the old BTL space.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJZxiNxYLpc&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR0Yqd9LSAScMs-bsKNKx3mBOnk5jiYyqQw45yUTuVEgQl1v-YKVwJp32No

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WeAllFallDown
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1.) He seems to be saying that vaccinating DURING the pandemic, (he is an ex-employee of GAVI, GSK and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation so he’s very pro-vaccine and isn’t suggesting you don’t vaccinate outside of pandemic conditions), is having the effect of forcing quicker and more efficient mutations on covid. And that rather than attenuating covid-19, meeting a wall of identically immune people is having the effect of giving the virus a gain of function advantage, because it’s so mutagenic. And we have reached a tipping point where it’ll become more lethal, especially to the vaccinated, but as we rely on the vaccinated for so many of our services, I suppose to everyone directly or indirectly.

2.) The effect of vaccine-induced antibody immunity is that it replaces natural immunity (natural killer cells), as the NK cells sort of die off in the face of the more aggressive antibody immunity. But that this is bad because vaccine-induced antibody immunity is targeted at just one version of covid-19 from Dec 2019. So as COVID-19 mutates, it slips past the vaccine-induced antibodies, and what’s left of natural generalised Coronavirus immunity, and goes off on its merry way to wreak havoc in the body, unchallenged by the complex layers of immune response in the body.

This didn’t initially seem that alarming to me as it’s the same old flu vaccine stuff again where you get such low levels of efficacy because they didn’t choose the right variants to put in the vaccines. So basically the new flu sneaks past the flu vaccine’s defences, and the person gets sick anyway with flu or parainfluenza.

But if I’m understanding this correctly, being vaccinated makes you MORE susceptible to covid-19, makes you more likely to be a carrier, (symptomatic or otherwise), and is having the effect of creating vaccine resistant strains of covid-19 against which the only defence will be your own immune system, which the vaccine is disabling, thus making you MORE not less vulnerable to fatal outcomes.

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WeAllFallDown
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1.) He seems to be saying that vaccinating DURING the pandemic, (he is an ex-employee of GAVI, GSK and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation so he’s very pro-vaccine and isn’t suggesting you don’t vaccinate outside of pandemic conditions), is having the effect of forcing quicker and more efficient mutations on covid. And that rather than attenuating covid-19, meeting a wall of identically immune people is having the effect of giving the virus a gain of function advantage, because it’s so mutagenic. And we have reached a tipping point where it’ll become more lethal, especially to the vaccinated, but as we rely on the vaccinated for so many of our services, I suppose to everyone directly or indirectly.

2.) The effect of vaccine-induced antibody immunity is that it replaces natural immunity (natural killer cells), as the NK cells sort of die off in the face of the more aggressive antibody immunity. But that this is bad because vaccine-induced antibody immunity is targeted at just one version of covid-19 from Dec 2019. So as COVID-19 mutates, it slips past the vaccine-induced antibodies, and what’s left of natural generalised Coronavirus immunity, and goes off on its merry way to wreak havoc in the body, unchallenged by the complex layers of immune response in the body.

This didn’t initially seem that alarming to me as it’s the same old flu vaccine stuff again where you get such low levels of efficacy because they didn’t choose the right variants to put in the vaccines. So basically the new flu sneaks past the flu vaccine’s defences, and the person gets sick anyway with flu or parainfluenza.

But if I’m understanding this correctly, being vaccinated makes you MORE susceptible to covid-19, makes you more likely to be a carrier, (symptomatic or otherwise), and is having the effect of creating vaccine resistant strains of covid-19 against which the only defence will be your own immune system, which the vaccine is disabling, thus making you MORE not less vulnerable to fatal outcomes.

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WeAllFallDown
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Sorry I seem to have repeated myself.

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Jane G
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What I still don't understand - and I might have mis-heard something, is that GVDB seemed to say that for an individual recipient the 'vaccines' are fine and useful. On a populationlevel though, the unintended outcome is very likely to be making the virus mutate into something worse (as described).

I'm struggling to reconcile the view that the vaccine is 'ok' for the individual while at the same time seriously undermining their immune system - particularly worrying for the effects on the young.

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