It appears the govt is planning yet another firebreak lockdown in December as the only alternative to jab freedom licences being introduced (although one assumes there is no chance of the latter not being introduced).
It's now clear the ultimate goal was the introduction of totalitarian communist freedom licences and surveillance fueled by a cooked up virus with a negligible fatality rate.
NYE fireworks in London cancelled as presumably they haven't yet decided how to check freedom licences on the street for that number of slaves in attendance.
This govt knows no limits to its depravity in blackmailing children and parents, nor the public at large.
3 weeks to flatten the curve.
15 million jabs to "freedom".
The jabs are the way out of the "pandemic".
They are utter fucking liars.
- It's now clear the ultimate goal was the introduction of totalitarian communist freedom licences and surveillance fueled by a cooked up virus with a negligible fatality rate.
The fatality rate is now more-or-less agreed to be ~1 in 400, which is not exactly negligible, if 60m people had a dose in the UK, it would amount to 150,000 British people, or about half the casualties in the second world war, which was not a negligible event.
- NYE fireworks in London cancelled
- That's a good thing, no need for fireworks, thanks.I think it's stretching it too far to think fireworks are a human right. That would be ridiculous.
- This govt knows no limits to its depravity in blackmailing children and parents, nor the public at large. They are utter fucking liars.
- Well we seem to be out of lockdowns and the mask wearing is minimal.
- Perhaps you are over-excited to be involved in something big? I think most people here are like that. This is the biggest event of their lives, so far, so they are worked up.
- Ro tell you the truth, in fact, everything is very simple. By hook or by crook, a virus came about that is very transmissible and kills 1 in 400 of the people it infects. That's just the way it is.
- So, for a little while, perhaps it's right to cut back on the socialising and work from home if you have a phone or computer job. And it's correct to search out vaccines to limit the spread. These things are justifiable, hence both Labour and Conservative agree to it, despite being at one another's throat usually.
- There is no ideal way to fix this thing, and some mistakes were made, for sure.
- But there is NO Ernst Stavro Blofeld to blame for this. For sure some influential billionaires have had too much to say, but that has had no impact on things.
- The general view is that vaccines are, as the experts confirm in general, safe and effective, and I'm afraid you'll just have to do your bit and suck it up.
- Vaccines have helped to limit the spread, people are not dying in droves from vaccination, even though we've been using them for nearly a year.
- So your input is not helpful at this point in the Pandemic. The virus is making it's way to being Endemic, and the vast, vast majority of people will get through this winter to find things are much better in the Spring. So quit the hysteric, it's time to calm down. Shrieking does no good at all.
the govt is planning yet another firebreak lockdown in December. They are utter fucking liars.
It's not right, plan A is to make it to new Year with no lockdown. Even plan B is
face masks in some settings but not in bars/restaurants, and asking people to work from home.
basically it's miles away from lockdown. You're blowing you top over nothing. All the signals are that there will be no onerous restrictions, even in plan B. If we are to ever get back to normal, this shrieking and panic has to cease. Shrieking and panic and (most of all )spreading vaccine misinformation makes lockdown more likely.
@ewloe your comments are fatuous and inane.
We are now 18 months into what is supposedly still a pandemic, from which next to no one is dying in this country compared to other causes.
If you possibly think that masks have played any role in preventing the spread of the virus which is airborne then review the evidence and previous govt and SAGE statements about masks alongside the equally fatuous and inane rules made up governing their use, such as in restaurants when standing up but not whilst seated. Remember that? The air is different at 4ft above ground when eating (more than a sausage roll, presumably beause that also makes a difference to the CFR of a novel and it seems manufactured virus) than at 6ft.
Plan B provides for a possible extension of jab-related freedom passes into other settings which by its own lack of definition includes pubs and restaurants. Of course they won't say masks are required in those places as the only people in them will have been pre-approved by the govt via their surveillance app ergo the forced buy-in and trade off is achieved.
Further, during the lockdown I went out to work as I had roles permitting me to do so. I wore masks for 12 hours a day with a deleterious effect on my health but did my bit to keep the country and economy going and retain some sense of what is normal.
Masks, freedom to go about one's daily life in one's own country conditional on being repeatedly jabbed whenever govts say so, shutting down businesses and social life and preventing families from seeing each other is not normal, it never has been normal and it never should be. Stamping out fundamental human rights in order to "save the NHS" is not normal.
Perhaps I have wider life experience than you and a deeper inherent sense of the values and principles of my country, and the society within it and that might well explain why your comments are, as stated, fatuous and inane.
If we're ever to get back to normal people need to make as much noise as possible and pushback against every single restriction forced on the population.
Otherwise we'll *never* get normal back.
This thing isn't going away. Accepting any restrictions now is a de facto acceptance of them forever more.
@splattt quite right, and that is certainly my approach to this now. And in fact mostly elsewhere and not on here.
Nice try, ewlem. And yet you conveniently forget to mention that the average Covid death is an octogenarian with two or three co-morbidities, as we like to call them. In light of that, 1 in 400 is quite negligible. Between 600,000 and 700,000 people die every year in Britain. Most Covid deaths would have occurred anyway of either causes either within the last few years or the next couple. Get a grip. Remember that in the war, young and healthy men and women were being perforated by bullets and blown apart by bombs, while whole cities were literally being destroyed. The comparison doesn't work.
@ben-shirley yes. Bombs dropping from the sky are indiscriminate however closely they are aimed.
Sars2 is, on the official data and evidence, incontrovertibly only serious on a widescale basis in elderly people and those with co-morbidities.
And for that we have to accept the fall of democracy and transformation into police states?
No. Not now, not next year, never.
Covid is going to look like losing a £5 note behind the sofa compared to the economic self-harm and social restriction net zero will require.
The government will have benefited from SARs2 in that it now knows whats possible and what isn't regarding restrictions and has the behavioral psychology tools and tactics in place and battle hardened ready to be used again.
@splattt Indeed, anybody who cares about the environment should be horrified by the talk of "climate emergency". None of the totalitarian governments in the 20th century delivered what their particular ideology happened to pay lip service to; instead they delivered mass deaths, censorship and corruption. It's not a particular ideology or symbolism that determines a government as evil, it's censorship and restrictions on civil liberties. The ideology just provides convenient rhetorical cover and will vary based on the time and place.
Had dinner tonight in a local Italian restaurant. A favourite place that, thanks to lockdowns, we hadn't visited in almost eighteen months.
This restaurant used to hire young Italian people to work as waitstaff and chefs. So our waitress tonight was a slightly testy English girl, rather than the charming signorinas of years past. Brexit doesn't just mean a shortage of Polish lorry drivers. The manager of the restaurant, while still full of the Roman bonhomie and salesmanship that made an evening there so enjoyable, was clearly struggling to put a good face on the twin economic catastrophes that have struck his business.
The low point of the evening, for me, was when two people, of late middle-age, strode into the restaurant with face masks on. Masks they naturally removed when joining the other people at their table.
What a ridiculous charade. Covid theatre at its most despicable. Virtue signalling nonsense, put as if to rub salt into the wounds of the young people whose lives, careers, and educations have been sacrificed in order to ostensibly protect the old.
