Thats the issue.
I've got no doubt a lot of people in hospital are "testing positive for COVID".
With 1/30 people in some areas having it and people in hospital being in crowded rooms, staff moving etc it makes sense.

But we dont know how many of those are there BECAUSE of COVID or whether they're in for something completely unrelated.

And as you said, how many caught it in hospital. The last Wales figures had 30% of them tested positive *more* than 7 days after admission which means they caught it there.

I know directly of several people waiting to be discharged back to a care home where they've caught it waiting for their 2nd negative test having been in hospital weeks for something unrelated.

Hospitals are currently one of the biggest transmission areas but nobody seems to be bothering about dealing with it. They're content to fine people for throwing snowballs or walking around in-possession of a starbucks instead and think its somehow helping.

The "first wave", like a storm blowing through a forest, is liable to knock down the weaker trees. Subsequent blasts will knock fewer, if any, because the ones left standing after the first storm are the fitter.

Seems the most obvious and plausible explanation. You can only die once. Also, I wonder how many have started supplementing with vitamin D?

Thats the issue.
I've got no doubt a lot of people in hospital are "testing positive for COVID".
With 1/30 people in some areas having it and people in hospital being in crowded rooms, staff moving etc it makes sense.

But we dont know how many of those are there BECAUSE of COVID or whether they're in for something completely unrelated.

And as you said, how many caught it in hospital. The last Wales figures had 30% of them tested positive *more* than 7 days after admission which means they caught it there.

I know directly of several people waiting to be discharged back to a care home where they've caught it waiting for their 2nd negative test having been in hospital weeks for something unrelated.

Hospitals are currently one of the biggest transmission areas but nobody seems to be bothering about dealing with it. They're content to fine people for throwing snowballs or walking around in-possession of a starbucks instead and think its somehow helping.

My 79 year old father in law was admitted into hospital a week before Christmas with a non-Covid problem. Three days ago he tested positive there whilst waiting to be discharged. He will now probably stay for another 10 to 14 days waiting for a negative test. Incidentally, the test and trace team call his wife to inquire who he had been in contact with and where he may have contracted it despite him being in hospital for nearly three weeks.

Well we just got told they cant do swabs after covid positive for 90 days due to still showing positives (which i also know of from non hospital) so not entirely sure what the release criteria is!

Thats the issue.
I've got no doubt a lot of people in hospital are "testing positive for COVID".
With 1/30 people in some areas having it and people in hospital being in crowded rooms, staff moving etc it makes sense.

But we dont know how many of those are there BECAUSE of COVID or whether they're in for something completely unrelated.

And as you said, how many caught it in hospital. The last Wales figures had 30% of them tested positive *more* than 7 days after admission which means they caught it there.

I know directly of several people waiting to be discharged back to a care home where they've caught it waiting for their 2nd negative test having been in hospital weeks for something unrelated.

Hospitals are currently one of the biggest transmission areas but nobody seems to be bothering about dealing with it. They're content to fine people for throwing snowballs or walking around in-possession of a starbucks instead and think its somehow helping.

My 79 year old father in law was admitted into hospital a week before Christmas with a non-Covid problem. Three days ago he tested positive there whilst waiting to be discharged. He will now probably stay for another 10 to 14 days waiting for a negative test. Incidentally, the test and trace team call his wife to inquire who he had been in contact with and where he may have contracted it despite him being in hospital for nearly three weeks.

Just heard that the hospital asked my mother in law if they could send him home four days after he tested positive for Covid19. She said no!!