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MikeAustin
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Thanks Jane. I have also contributed.

How crazy to pay for legal action against those whose salaries we pay, to prevent them from murdering and injuring children.

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 Posted by: @mikeaustin

Thanks Jane. I have also contributed.

How crazy to pay for legal action against those whose salaries we suggest are falsity, that is how theories are, to prevent them from murdering and injuring children.

>How crazy to pay for legal action against those whose salaries we pay, to

>prevent them from murdering and injuring children.

The general belief, in those qualified to express credible beliefs, is that vaccination is correct, perhaps by a balance of probability. I would support that view, but I would hesitate before I suggest you are  wrong or doing harm .,. you might be very valid.

I support the view that any  scientist worthy of our respect  should strongly  doubt their personal convictions and should vigorously seek any  ways to  test their views to prove they are themselves wrong; that is the sign of science. If an opportunity  exists to assure yourself  that you are incorrect, I urge you to pursue them with maximum effort, it is the mark of a scientist to heartily welcome all  suggestions of fallacy.  One attacks and takes exception to the fallacy, not the suggestion. As feynmann said, if your theory conflicts with an experiment, you are wrong., in plan language  I urge you to reflect on the uphill task ahead of you, and to find a way to overturn the science of Edward Jenner, if you can do so, to the satisfaction of the Nobel committee (who still owe me a tiny pension, btw!), I would turn out to cheer you, heartily, Otherwise you are just blowing smoke, like countless other malcontents and cretins.)

I wish  you well, I truly  hope you are right, in that covid19 is just a really heavy cold. Only time will tell. IN summary, it is not my job to prove you wrong, it is your job to show you are right, the world is full of people who are wrong. 

 

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@ewloe It is not clear what you are saying here, but I am guessing that you are seeking evidence to challenge what the government is doing. That evidence is quite clear, from their own figures.

In 2020, 11 children under 15 died 'with covid'. Of these, 2 died 'of covid'. In a population of just over 10 million, that means a 1 in 5 million chance of a healthy child dying of covid and a 1 in 1 million chance of an unhealthy child dying of covid. These are ONS figures.

To date, there have been a total of 88.6 million jabs of which 47.5 million are first doses. There have been 1,609 deaths reported from the Yellow Card reports. That makes a death risk of about 1 in 30,000 per person from the jab. These are NHS/MHRA figures.

On looking at the death rate from the jabs, it has remained fairly constant since the first week of April. It is thus, so far, independent of age. We can provisionally assume that it applies to children. Therefore, the risk of death to a child is increased by a factor of over 160 if healthy and over 30 if unhealthy.

To proceed with jabbing these poor kids knowing these figures - their own figures - is wilful manslaughter, i.e. murder.

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Posted by: @mikeaustin

To proceed with jabbing these poor kids knowing these figures - their own figures - is wilful manslaughter, i.e. murder.

but a  Yellow Card report does not necessarily mean the vaccine caused that reaction or event”.

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Posted by: @ewloe
Posted by: @mikeaustin

To proceed with jabbing these poor kids knowing these figures - their own figures - is wilful manslaughter, i.e. murder.

but a  Yellow Card report does not necessarily mean the vaccine caused that reaction or event”.

These are events that occurred within just a few days of the jabs. They have occurred at rates one or two orders higher than any previous jab. They have occurred to previously healthy people. The indications are so strong - and they are not even investigated by MHRA. That is, at the very least, gross negligence. Proceeding wilfully without investigations and being aware that these events are clearly correlated, very serious and out of the ordinary is wilful manslaughter.

What would you call it?

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Consent is laughable throughout this.

We're dealing with emergency approval which means consent has to be fully informed.  The little leaflet they give out is not - even for adults.

For this level of approval its generally accepted to have a form where the calculations of risk from disease or illness (ie actual numbers) is clearly stated, the risk of harm of treatment is clearly stated using the same scale and figures and the unknowns are clearly stated.

This is in the form of clear paragraphs and the participant has to initial each one to show they've read it.  Then its normally backed up by a brief oral questionnaire from the vaccinator.

Absolutely none of that has happened here so i'd argue not a single person has adequately met the informed consent criteria.

We threw those ethics out.

This isnt just a kid thing - we didn't inform the adults and now those ill-informed adults will be "informing" kids but with even weaker data and more unknowns.

 

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We've heard terrible reports of children in Australia being marched into a sports hall to be injected, and parents were kept out. (God, what has happened to that country?) At the risk of incurring wrath, I can't see much difference between this kind of enforcement and the fake 'shower' blocks in WW2. The intention may be honourable but the disregard for individual self-determination is similar. 

I don't know how much worse things can get than if a parent is denied the right to protect their child. This is so profoundly offensive to me that if I had access to a firearm, I'd use it against whichever lousy, jumped-up, amoral bully gave the order.

Vaccinate children against diseases that threaten them: not to get yourself out of a political hole or to secure funding from your paymasters. And persuade me that it's necessary.

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Thanks Jane - Shared and pledged.

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