There are excess deaths but how many are actually a consequence of the lockdown and decimated economy and not COVID?
Also in the last week published by the ONS, to 25th December, 2912 people died of COVID, but only 874 died of a respiratory disease.
Oops, typo. It should have been 46,858 not 56,858. Hençe 4.8%.
2010 was the maximum.
I am no expert at data digging but a simple search for "per capita" deaths led me to an ONS chart showing decrease from a high of 10.4 in 2000 to 8.7 in 2011 before rising again to 9.3 in 2018:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/281478/death-rate-united-kingdom-uk/
I also found a source that corrected data for changing demographics as well as population, and that shows an even more steady trend:
There are excess deaths but how many are actually a consequence of the lockdown and decimated economy and not COVID?
Also in the last week published by the ONS, to 25th December, 2912 people died of COVID, but only 874 died of a respiratory disease.
How many people would usually die of respiratory diseases around this time in previous years?
A good, impartial facts and analysis is from this guy on Twitter:-
https://twitter.com/statsjamie
Former ONS health stats employee.
Good at analysing the actual figures based on experience.
https://twitter.com/statsjamie/status/1348240519986601985 goes into details on Wales figures and stats this:-
10 Jan - Around 5,373 deaths in Wales where Covid-19 mentioned on death certificate. Daily deaths not at peak of Spring. For the 2nd wave we are seeing more Covid-19 deaths than excess deaths, suggesting people are dying with Covid-19 that would have sadly died anyway. 1/2
He's worth following if you want data with no political spin.
Is it not somewhat fair to say that the data has "political spin" built into it, given the deaths with "Covid mentioned on the death certificate" is purposefully overcounting as a starting point?
In other words it appears statisticians are having to work backwards from one set of data, subtracting another figure derived from one or more other sets of data to arrive at what we *think* is the real measure of deaths due to Covid, which wouldn't have occurred anyway due to age or other factors?
I'm not saying it matters what we label the causes of death, it just seems there is a massive amount of overlapping built in which makes analysis difficult, at least for the general public.
I just ask this as an open question, not to criticise anyone here or elsewhere.
