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Another change in British supermarkets in the early stage of the pandemic era?

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Example Number 9134 of the "pushing of the envelope": the supermarket company Tesco, the very same firm which cuts its costs by asking "Do you want a receipt?" as if it were some kind of a liberty for a customer to take one, is now in some areas of Britain demanding to see receipts at the exit door. And according to this article, they are, at least in Rotherham, being supported by the police too.

Let's get this straight: unless they have good reason to think you are a thief, there is nothing they can do if you refuse to show them, and most certainly they would be breaking the law if they tried to stop you leaving the shop. That's false imprisonment.

But wait...I'm thinking in pre-2020 terms.

We have a triple effect here: on the police, on supermarket staff, and on customers. It's as if any kind of disobedience to whatever utterly ludicrous rules (or laws) were brought in five minutes ago, is now treated as an antisocial crime and the mass of the population is encouraged to view it as that.

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Example Number 9134 of the "pushing of the envelope": the supermarket company Tesco, the very same firm which cuts its costs by asking "Do you want a receipt?" as if it were some kind of a liberty for a customer to take one, is now in some areas of Britain demanding to see receipts at the exit door. And according to this article, they are, at least in Rotherham, being supported by the police too.

Let's get this straight: unless they have good reason to think you are a thief, there is nothing they can do if you refuse to show them, and most certainly they would be breaking the law if they tried to stop you leaving the shop. That's false imprisonment.

But wait...I'm thinking in pre-2020 terms.

We have a triple effect here: on the police, on supermarket staff, and on customers. It's as if any kind of disobedience to whatever utterly ludicrous rules (or laws) were brought in five minutes ago, is now treated as an antisocial crime and the mass of the population is encouraged to view it as that.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. 

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What if you walk out without buying anything?

Supermarkets have been primarily engaged in the process from the beginning. 

M&S did away with most of the self service tills which accepted cash (dirty) and replaced them with card or digital only (clean). All part of the plan.

After a while hardly any supermarkets I went in did anything to maintain social distancing, effectively operating normally whilst the rest of the high street was closed by the govt. Only Tesco had a traffic light system.

There is a sense when using supermarket self checkouts (their choice to put them in, not mine) that they have the right to treat everyone as a thief. 

The Co-Op uses facial recognition cameras.

Most of them sound sirens if you so much as move the shopping you have scanned before paying.

All of them are collecting data and presumably sharing it with govt/NHS/police as part of the forthcoming "voluntary" health app mumbled about by the Fat Albino Wanker a few weeks ago where you can have your shopping, eating and exercise habits analysed by govt....for your own benefit. 

See where it's going?

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Posted by: @coronanationstreet See where it's going?

like most businesses, they are   minimising staff costs, while trying to cut "theft.

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What if you walk out without buying anything?

The most they could get you on is stealing nothing, for which you must pay the penalty of nothing.

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"See where it's going?"

Yes.

Regarding Johnson, some background:

* transcript of speech to the UN, 24 Sep 2019

(Britain as global leader in internet of things - global principles - "your mattress will monitor your nightmares")

* transcript of speech to the UN, 22 Sep 2021

("the Glasgow COP26 summit is the turning point for humanity" - "blow out the candles of a world on fire")

This is not going to be pretty.

 

 

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@star This is part of the techno revolution he bragged about as part of Brexit freeing up ("freeing"...indeed not) the UK. One wonders if Brexit was all part of the plan. Smoke and mirrors. A test run for social media compliance/censorship/herd mentality/virtue signalling idiocy masquerading as fact.

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use ASDA/

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Heard a woman on talkradio tell JHB that since the credit limit on debit cards increased during lockdown (to minimise handling of cash, and touching buttons on card machines) businesses have been losing money. Apparently people are waving their card over the wotsit but not checking that it 'pinged', and the transaction doesn't go through.

Personally, I'm fed up of my paid-for steak, booze and batteries setting off the alarms as I wheel the trolley through the door. Am I now to be frisked routinely?

 

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@jane-g try ASDA

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Just a note to say that Stanley Milgram's electroshock experiment and Philip Zimbardo's Stanford prison experiment are relevant here.

This is the kind of thing I meant when I referred to the effect on police officers and supermarket staff as well as on customers. There are many other current examples of this kind of thing. It is one of the defining characteristics of fascism.

(Personally I haven't had anything to do with GPs for more than 40 years, but friends tell me a similar shift has been evident in the behaviour of GPs' receptionists.)

Of those two experiments in the US, and for the benefit of anybody who doesn't have the time to read about both of them, the more instructive is the electroshock one. Unlike (to some extent) the "guards" in the Stanford experiment, those who believed they were administering the electrical shocks were NOT play-acting. As far as they were concerned, it was all 100% real.

I would also highly recommend the 2012 film "Compliance".

In my local branch of Tesco there was until recently a rule requiring that customers who wished to pay and leave were obliged to queue in socially-distanced fashion at the far end of the front aisle, before being directed to a specific checkout. Now that's fair enough, it may be argued. Let's just assume it is, and now look at the consequences. One of the consequences is that even when hardly any customers were in the store, when several checkouts were manned, and when nobody whatsoever was queuing at the faraway line, a customer who walked directly towards a checkout was liable to be barked at by a tinpot staff member (arm out in gendarme fashion) to go to the other end of the shop, wait until he was called, and then walk back, after a ritual moment of obedient stillness and attentiveness to the command-giver. Never mind logic. Never mind individual thought. It's the rules that count. Do what you're told and get used to it. Never mind that it doesn't stand up. Antisocial element alert!

"New normal" is a good phrase, but there's a dynamic. Once major shortages of food and fuel, power blackouts, a much higher death rate, and a much higher level of insecurity are added in (and it strongly looks as though the rulers have got something up their sleeves involving flu), what we've got now will start to look like freedom. The worst developments in what we HAVE got now will come further into their own...

 

 

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